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part 3 kris, try not to fall in love with me!

Aaand now we're now onto part 3!

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(Anonymous) 2014-04-14 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)

CANON

(Anonymous) 2014-04-14 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Thread for venting about any part of the Fire Emblem series.

Remember, it is fine to disagree with others' opinions in this thread. Being malicious, however, when you disagree is not.

GENERAL FANDOM

(Anonymous) 2014-04-14 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Thread for venting about the fandom in general.

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Thread for venting about other fans.

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[personal profile] fepicspammer 2014-04-14 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)


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Happy Birthday, Maribelle!

Wait, the first page hasn't been claimed?

(Anonymous) 2014-04-14 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Then let's claim it for Maribelle! And her "pack of lovely ladies"!

(Anonymous) 2014-04-14 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm looking at that quote the mod used for this post and

it just reminded me of my disappointment i felt when i found out it was impossible to marry off f!kris and ruke to each other

Re: CANON

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
Let's start off with this thread with some Tharja venting. Or rather, let's start off with some of my own criticism of how the devs handled Tharja and her design.

Pretty sure we've discussed before how Tharja wearing an outfit she ICly would feel uncomfortable with and, in fact, does feel so in Summer Scramble.

Was anyone find the in-game explanation they give in her Summer Scramble supports with Cordelia where she basically says she never realized how revealing her outfit was until Cordelia pointed it out problematic? I know there some anons last discussion who mentioned it could have been a way of showing how socially awkward she was, but I disagree with that tbh.

The "she didn't realize her outfit's so fanservice-y until someone told her!" explanation, or the Innocent (or Reluctant) Fanservice Girl trope, has been used in many anime and manga, including video games, as a form of fanservice to the male audience as a way of showing how "cute, childish, and innocent" she is. Yes, even for ladies who'd be the last you'd describe as "cute", "childish", or "innocent" such as Tharja.

In other words, the writers are more or less invoking the Innocent (or Reluctant) Fanservice Girl trope in the Tharja/Cordelia convo as a way of paying service to Tharja's fanbase than actually adding to her character.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but I personally find that... a pretty problematic way of handling Tharja's character.

IF SECOND GEN COULD SUPPORT WITH FIRST GEN

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
Other than MU/Robin or their parents and siblings, of course.

What would those supports be about? This goes for same-gender supports as well.

Predict what will happen in the next Fire Emblem game!

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
What game mechanics, plot, character, etc do you predict will happen in the next game?

This can be either for Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem or FE14.

Re: Predict what will happen in the next Fire Emblem game!

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
Awakening's marriage/inheritance and Avatar creation game mechanics will return in FE14 since it proved to be a huge success, but slightly more polished and more developed in terms of writing.

For characters, as another wink and nod at the Archanea games, they will bring back another character (maybe Xane or Nagi for unexplained reasons because why the fuck not) just like they did with Tiki. This character will be marriageable to the Avatar and perhaps some other characters in the game because again, why not.

Re: CANON - reposted

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
My problem with these arguments is that such stuff reminds me a LOT of real life slut shaming. They put responsability on the real/fictional female for wearing the revealing outfit and less on the males oggling her and thay makes me deeply uncomfortable as it reminds me of the "bitch should have covered herself!!!!" shit, which often comes from women that are VERY often jealous of the "miss fanservice" herself fir the attention she gets adf look desperately for any reasons to bring her down for *GASP* being sexually appealing in any way.

Combine such train of thoughts with the Tharja haters placing LOTS of emphasis on her sex appeal as their reason to hate her even they claim otherwise (re: certain Noire "fans") and screeching att her mere existence, and it makes for DAMN unfortunate bullshit that's centered on hwo EW EW, THARJA IS SEXUALIIIIIIISED, KILL HER. I'm not saying that YOU are doing the same, anon, but it does conflate a lot from what I've seen of the Tharja bashing - using her 'sexy' looks as a "crutch" to bash her, despite saying it's not for that.

Also, there's a detail to consider: Tharja isn't the only one who invokes the Innocent/Reluctant Fanservice Girl trope. Both Cordelia and Olivia do it too, and in fact they do it in the same Scramble stagte... but both get LESS shit for it. Why? I'd like to know. But I feel it's for the same reason up there: the fans feel more threatened because of Tharja's hang-ups and downright weird personalities, so they don't tend to look at them and focus on complaining about Tharja rather than them. (Even when Olivia DOES get her share of pot shots.)

So yeah, there might be some truth to your arguments and reasons, but looking at fandom I still can't help wincing and being disgusted. Awakening unlocked the inner misogyny of many fans, specially insecure girls who hate on other women for X/Y/Z, and damn it tends to show with how they use Tharja as a scapegoat for such stuff.


PS: This is not about you or the discussion, but may I say that I HATE the word "problematic"? It has been so invoked by pretentious and bully-addicted SJW's and slapped on "anything *I* don't like, weh weh weeeeeeh" that it has pretty mch lost its meaning.

ITT: Fanon interpretations of charas/ships that you hate

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
Five-ever a classic.

ITT: IT'S IN THE HAIR! Kid haircolor combinations you like/dislike

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
Again, five ever a classic.

http://dekoart.tumblr.com/post/82345084760/digging-back-up-that-fe-a-characters-in-late-19th

[personal profile] fepicspammer 2014-04-15 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
You are the Dancing Queen ~

Question!

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I just got Awakening and have some bucks left, so I'd like to use 'em in buying some of the DLC stages. Since I can't get them all at ones, which should I get first and why?

Re: Question!

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Depending on what you're looking for, someone on SA made a list describing the DLC available as a reference:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3528797 (If the paywall is up: http://pastebin.com/AgZ69zAX)

Re: ITT: Fanon interpretations of charas/ships that you hate

(Anonymous) 2014-04-15 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The never ending fandom portrayals of m!Morgan the Poodle Dolly™. The fact anyone who sees m!Morgan this way usually refers to him as "my son" makes it... really creepy.

You know how Morgan lacks self-confidence (pretty sure someone on Tumblr publicly pointed this out)? I'm starting to think it may have stemmed from, prior to losing his memory back in his time, Morgan got probably being mentally simplified as a poodle puppy by everyone he knew (even Grima, but more as a control thing if anything) leading him to believing himself to be weak as hell.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just going to be breaking down my response since it's easier for me to get my thoughts together that way...

They put responsability on the real/fictional female for wearing the revealing outfit and less on the males oggling her and thay makes me deeply uncomfortable as it reminds me of the "bitch should have covered herself!!!!" shit, which often comes from women that are VERY often jealous of the "miss fanservice" herself fir the attention she gets adf look desperately for any reasons to bring her down for *GASP* being sexually appealing in any way.

I'm aware you aren't saying this about me, but I'd like to point out most of these arguments are putting responsibility on the artists and the game devs for designing the character for how she dresses/appears. MANY female characters who are designed to wear revealing outfits, even when it's inappropriate for the situation, don't tend to choose that outfit because the character herself chooses to out of her personal preferences. It's because whoever designed her that way said so, usually because they subconsciously or consciously wanted some eye candy with a nice pair of legs or they believe sexily clad females are the "norm" even when it's OOC of her to wear what she does.

Obviously, there are people out there who piss on female characters no matter what, but just as many complaining are exasperated at the sight of sexily clad ladies because the creators are treating (whether they are aware of it or not) her as a sexual object than a sexual being, which is one of the layers of a bigger issue that is sexism.

Combine such train of thoughts with the Tharja haters placing LOTS of emphasis on her sex appeal as their reason to hate her even they claim otherwise (re: certain Noire "fans") and screeching att her mere existence, and it makes for DAMN unfortunate bullshit that's centered on hwo EW EW, THARJA IS SEXUALIIIIIIISED, KILL HER. I'm not saying that YOU are doing the same, anon, but it does conflate a lot from what I've seen of the Tharja bashing - using her 'sexy' looks as a "crutch" to bash her, despite saying it's not for that.

Again, I'm definitely aware you're not criticizing me personally, and there are of course fans who do hate her for ridiculous reasons no matter what she does!

I can't speak for everyone, but my own reason for being bugged by Tharja being sexualized is because she isn't dressing the way she does because she personally wants to like Aversa dresses the way she does because she owns her sexuality. Tharja dresses the way she does because "she didn't know she was potentially turning guys on in a revealing outfit since she's so oblivious!" which is a commonly used trope in practically every anime and manga out there. I find it an issue because, in a way, it sort of infantilizes her since the writers are basically saying (whether it was intentional or not) because she's so oblivious of how much of a "turn-on" her clothes could be due to her inner "innocence" or "childishness", it is therefore okay for others to fetishize her in what she wears.

That's... creepy.

Also, there's a detail to consider: Tharja isn't the only one who invokes the Innocent/Reluctant Fanservice Girl trope. Both Cordelia and Olivia do it too, and in fact they do it in the same Scramble stagte... but both get LESS shit for it. Why? I'd like to know. But I feel it's for the same reason up there: the fans feel more threatened because of Tharja's hang-ups and downright weird personalities, so they don't tend to look at them and focus on complaining about Tharja rather than them. (Even when Olivia DOES get her share of pot shots.)

I can't speak for everyone, but while I'm a little weirded out by Olivia's Summer Scramble supports with Lissa, I'm not otherwise entirely bugged by what she's wearing otherwise because it actually makes some sense since she states she's fine with her dancer outfit because it's part of her job. Not that it makes her Summer Scramble supports with Lissa any less awkward, but her reasons for her design aren't as questionable as one the writers provided for Tharja.

In the case of Cordelia, I, again, can't speak for everyone, but I assume the reason why there hasn't been as much criticism of of Summer Scramble segments is because she's not being treated as THE Ms. Fanservice Girl Tharja is in general. Sure, she got slapped with the ridiculous boob-shaped armor in her default outfit, but she's not being sexualized for her it. If we're talking about her swimsuit CG, it's actually pretty tame in comparison to what one normally sees when it comes to anime ladies wearing swimsuits for fanservice. The worst you've got is one strap slipping off Cordelia's shoulder and the small boobs jokes (which the fandom has criticized the writers for the latter), but it's nowhere near to the levels of fanservice Tharja's gotten when the latter is sure as hell unwilling to show off her body.

Obviously, Tharja is not the worst example of sexualization, but the fact IS using Tharja's body as a way of making money (e.g. the figuring of Tharja in a suggestive and OOC pose, Summer Scramble DLC, etc.) and using the tired, old "she didn't even notice her outfit could be turning others on, so it's okay to ogle her!" trope as a way of making her seem "childishly cute" (keep in mind if that mixing the phrases "childishly cute" and "female character" together in a work is an instant money maker within the otaku fandom in Japan) doesn't make

> But I feel it's for the same reason up there: the fans feel more threatened because of Tharja's hang-ups and downright weird personalities, so they don't tend to look at them and focus on complaining about Tharja rather than them.

> ...but looking at fandom I still can't help wincing and being disgusted. Awakening unlocked the inner misogyny of many fans, specially insecure girls who hate on other women for X/Y/Z, and damn it tends to show with how they use Tharja as a scapegoat for such stuff.

...What. Anon, you might've not realized this, but you're basically saying that if anyone is criticizing a fictional lady, it's automatically because they feel threatened by the possibility her character is "stealing all the guys away" rather than them legitimately criticizing the writers/artists/game devs for their treatment of said fictional lady, especially since female characters tend to be poorly handled most of the time in any form of media and most are sick of it.

Sure, I've seen my fair share of people criticizing fictional women no matter what they do, especially in the otome game fandoms due to mostly ship wars. However, the fact your statement gives the implication people criticize how Tharja's handled because they feel "threatened" by her than having legitimate reasons for not liking how she's written or designed doesn't make it less unfortunate.

...And wow, that got tl;dr than I expected.

Re: GENERAL FANDOM

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
It's probably me not getting a good grasp on the bara radiant meat hero hype, but some of the headcanons and talk I've seen seem really sappy and nearly as bad as the stuffed we've chewed out the Bad Timeline pairs for. I feel... bad, because I guess in truth, any pairing can fall into that trap.

Re: GENERAL FANDOM

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
How did I forget to put down that this was about Priam/Robin? It's about Priam/Robin.

Re: GENERAL FANDOM

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
Details? Like actual links or a brief description.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
personally i hope that they keep the casual/classic modes from 12 and 13 because that would save a lot of tears

...i also hope that recruiting units in smtxfe is some hilariously bizarre combination of the demon recruitment system and the usual fe recruitments

Re: GENERAL FANDOM

(Anonymous) 2014-04-16 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just some exchanges on lolidere and maybe oracleether's blog, headcanons and stuffing each other with feels. I do know that lolidere bashes Chrobin because it's the cool thing to do now, when she used to be fine with it when it the fandumb was actually bad.

My biggest peeve is the... comparisons? There's a running undertone of "PRIAM IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN CHROM!!!" He's not god (that would be Stahl but not the point), I'm just... put off from the pairing. That's just me.